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qoqodqo
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Zdravim vas moji polsky bratia!
Now I will write in english to understand each other better tho slovak language is similar to polish one in many words... Wink
I did read some tiny book written in 1933 from a man who did fight in WW1 in austro-hungarian infantry as manchinegun operator (gulometcik), and he ddescribes how they marchen to ffront, names of the towns they passed or were in etc.
So my question is: as I'm doing kind of a map with pictures of those places they resides in, I am not able locate some polish towns/villages (maybe they do not exist any longer today, I don't know), so I would like to ask you for a help (if you can): I need to locate/find pictures of these polish (ukraine?) towns/villages - this is list of named places he writes in his book as they followed:
1. Lancut (railstation: here they got after 5 days from Hungary, thru Presburg [Bratislava, SK] -> Ostrava [CZ] -> Tarnow -> LANCUT), from this point thay started to march by foot
2. {some unknown village: stayed for 9 days - military excercises etc.}
3. JOZEFOW (THIS VILLAGE I AM NOT ABLE TO LOCATE! he writes that it should be like 1 day march from Nisko, cca. 20-25km maybe?)
4. Nisko (only pass thru: they saw fallen church bell in broken bricks - destroyd church or something?)
5. Rozwadow (I did localize it as STALOWA WOLA in todays Poland - am I right?) - this was something like austro-hungarian army HQ of the Eastern Front of that time: from this line - as they cross river Saan - it started to be a stirght war zone
6. Krasnik (this is the place where he fight for the first time against russians, and yet it was one of the hardest fights in this region!)
7. MARKUSOVO (remember: he was slovak, so he writes it that way but I guess it could be MARKUSOW, right?) {it was 18.7.1915: he says tahat the village was empty, but he found some young 17yr girl named DUNA in one of the houses down in "pivnica" were she was hidden with his mother - they fell in love  ..but after some days as front moves he needed to go...MY QUESTION: as Markusow wasn't too big village and there probably were not many girls with name DUNA of age 16-18yr, could it be found somewhere who she was? Matrika? Or anywhere else?}
8. MNICHOV (probably MNICHOW in polish lang.) - AGAIN: I AM UNABLE TO LACATE THIS VILLAGE  ...this is the place where they were formed into new batalions, divisions etc.
9. Kurow (they were housed in some bread-house ["pekaren"])
10. march to fortress Iwangrod...
OK, tha's it for now (there are other places but I need to know if it's of any help here): PLEASE, IF ANYONE CAN HELP IDENTIFY THOSE PLACES I DO NOT KNOW, do it if you can!
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| Wysłany: Czw 1:37, 04 Kwi 2013 Temat postu: |
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Hi, sorry for my english is not the best. I do not know if I can help but I have a few suggestions.
3. JOZEFOW - There is a village about 40 km from
[link widoczny dla zalogowanych]
4. Church in Nisko. After firing the Russian army, 18 October 1914. Perhaps it is this church.
[link widoczny dla zalogowanych]
5. Rozwadow currently Stalowa Wola district.
6.It seems to me that in terms of the second battle of Krasnik.
7. This may be a Markuszów. But nei sure.
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9. Kurów
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| Wysłany: Czw 8:34, 04 Kwi 2013 Temat postu: |
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Józefów (near Zaklików) is located between Rozwadów and Kraśnik.
Maybe they were in Józefów after passing through Nisko(not before)?
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qoqodqo
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| Wysłany: Czw 20:02, 04 Kwi 2013 Temat postu: @Piotr |
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| Piotr napisał: |
Józefów (near Zaklików) is located between Rozwadów and Kraśnik.
Maybe they were in Józefów after passing through Nisko(not before)? |
No no, he definitely writes that they stay in village called Jozefow for some time (where they were beaten by their own austro-hungarian oficiers for not villing march nonstop for several days from Lancut thru forest and sandy ground, even old men were beaten by a stick, like 20-50 blows with a stick, those oficiers were totaly unhuman and only after german officiers saw it they have to stop with it...even villagers, some women from Jozefow cry and please those officiers stop with the bating but they throw them away with a gun, so it really must have been shocking look), and only then after 1 day of march they got to Nisko where they saw bell in ruined church and all Nisko - as he describes it - was destroyed...this all happened on 5. 6. 1915...so Jozefow needs to be somewhere BETWEEN Lancut and Nisko, NOT AFTER Nisko...
EDIT: now I found using your poland map server that the only Jozefow in todays Poland that could be "our" Jozefow is probably this one here
[link widoczny dla zalogowanych]
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| Wysłany: Czw 20:55, 04 Kwi 2013 Temat postu: |
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| Kubuś Puchatek napisał: |
| Hi, sorry for my english is not the best. I do not know if I can help but I have a few suggestions. |
No problem, I understand you very well...hope you understand me too
| Kubuś Puchatek napisał: |
| 3. JOZEFOW - There is a village about 40 km from |
no, sorry, it cannot be this village - it needs to be between Lancut and Nisko, closer to Nisko (although I am a litle bit unsure cos in one moment he says that they march to Jozefow like 7 days from Lancut and they were very raged about the fact they must walk 25-30km per day which seems to be untrue, cos that way they would be much further, even somewhere near Krasnik where they got much later...) And as I said in post before this, it could be this: [link widoczny dla zalogowanych]
| Kubuś Puchatek napisał: |
| 4. Church in Nisko. After firing the Russian army, 18 October 1914. Perhaps it is this church. |
well, if that is the only one church in NIsko then yes, I agree with you that this could be the one...thanx a lot my friend for this find! But as obvious: it would be great if there was some foto of the actual demage, or even foto from summer 1915
| Kubuś Puchatek napisał: |
| 5. Rozwadow currently Stalowa Wola district. |
yes, I also identified it as Stalowa Wola in todays Poland - thank you for this!  + any foto of Rozwadow from that time would be great, if you can find any for me, please (Google didn't help)
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| 6.It seems to me that in terms of the second battle of Krasnik. |
yes yes, it was the second one, you are right, but I cannot find any fotos of that era, of ths second one fight from end summer 1915
BTW: he says that this second battle lasted for 6 days and 6 nights, basicly 1 week: russians lost, austro-hungarian wins, and that after the fight they were placed for the rest overnight in destroyed garden of the Krasniks' castle: do anyone here has any foto of that Krasnik castle, or even better of its garden from the year 1915?
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| 7. This may be a Markuszów. But nei sure. |
I am not sure: from the book it is not clear if they got to Markusow immediately next day after end of second Krasnik battle, or he simply continues his story after some days right in Markusow, cos when I look at the map you provided it seems to me quite far away from the Krasnik, but maybe it really is the one: they were going to fortress Iwangrod (Iwangorod, now Deblin in Poland as I understood it) and it seems to me it is somewhere on the road to it, although they never get there beacuse orders were changed and they were marchnig several days absolutely different way to big battle in Lutsk (and then even further to fortress Rovno, now Rivne in Ukraine)
EDIT: yes, it is this one (see below)
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| 9. Kurów |
Again: I am not quite sure - aren't they too close to each other with Markusow? I need to look again into the book how it was... 
EDIT: yes, it is this one (see below)
Guys I really do appriciate your great help, see: without you I would probably never got to this right places, BUT could you provide some photos of those areas/towns/villages from those times, summer-autumn 1915, please?
Thanks a lot in advnace
EDIT: so, now I got to some old austro-hungarian maps AND voila, now I can clearly say that Markusow and Kurow ARE THE ONES YOU SUGGESTED: thanx a lot, my friends for this! See part of the map here with marked Markusow and Kurow in yellow and yes: they really were next each other, you were also right about this, guys...
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| Wysłany: Pią 21:12, 05 Kwi 2013 Temat postu: |
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A small description of the fighting in the area, please Krasnik the following links. Unfortunately everything is in Polish. The article links to photographs from that period.
[link widoczny dla zalogowanych]
As a result of clashes on both sides there was a ten-day struggle known as the second battle of Krasnik (1-10 July 1915). In all battles, the Russians put up stubborn resistance, often there have to fight with bayonets. In these fights sometimes whole regiments of the Russian and Austrian died.
A few old stand you can find for forums Rozwadow but the exact date is difficult to determine their creation.
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| Wysłany: Sob 3:20, 06 Kwi 2013 Temat postu: |
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| Kubuś Puchatek napisał: |
A small description of the fighting in the area, please Krasnik the following links. Unfortunately everything is in Polish. The article links to photographs from that period.
[link widoczny dla zalogowanych]
As a result of clashes on both sides there was a ten-day struggle known as the second battle of Krasnik (1-10 July 1915). In all battles, the Russians put up stubborn resistance, often there have to fight with bayonets. In these fights sometimes whole regiments of the Russian and Austrian died.
A few old stand you can find for forums Rozwadow but the exact date is difficult to determine their creation.
[link widoczny dla zalogowanych] |
WOOOOW!!! ABSOLUTELY AMAZING FIND!!! I knew that only polish folks can help me with this and I was right as I can see...thanx, big thanx guys!
BTW: yes it is true about the bestiality and mortality of that battle, I cannot reproduce whole book here but he describes this fight around Krasnik at aproximately +/- 15 or 20 pages alone to maximum detail from his point of view...as maschinegunner ("gulometcik" in slovak) he watch most of the time his cammarades and friends fighting in the field, terrible seens; that even they killed 100 russians other 200 comes over them, he says that their dead bodies were like 1m tall before his machinegun one on one, he could hardly see thru them and that they become really affraid cos russians still keep going and going and going over those dead ones, they step upon them...and over this all permanent cannon, mortars and mines and granates fire, they were completly covered with blood, there were something like red mist over the field cos over the days the fight last dead bodies mixed with earth and those explosions made such mist and terrible smell, saying that ground seems like waves in ocean constantly weaving from explosions, he also says how they fight against each other as they reach enemies trenches - one sad stroy tells that on one day as the possesed one russian trench there was some russian still alive crying bagging for his life, saying he has children, woman, but some young austro-hungarian officier comes and shot him right to his head with no mercy and they simply turn and quikly going over cos there wa snothing they could do for him cos other way they would be shoted instead of him, terrible just pure terrible etc.
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| Wysłany: Sob 6:18, 06 Kwi 2013 Temat postu: |
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In Poland there are a lot of graves of soldiers of different countries who will never come home. Each of these men had a family, dreams and purpose in life that has been lost.
A few photos from the period 1WW Polish from different locations can be found at the link below.
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| Wysłany: Nie 13:46, 07 Kwi 2013 Temat postu: Re: @Piotr |
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| qoqodqo napisał: |
..so Jozefow needs to be somewhere BETWEEN Lancut and Nisko, NOT AFTER Nisko...
EDIT: now I found using your poland map server that the only Jozefow in todays Poland that could be "our" Jozefow is probably this one here
[link widoczny dla zalogowanych] |
This Jozefow is too far for one-day walk in my opinion. But maybe...
Do You know this website?
[link widoczny dla zalogowanych]
You can find on it many military maps of Austria - Hungary from 1910 (including polish localities from your list).
For example:
[link widoczny dla zalogowanych] (with Lancut)
[link widoczny dla zalogowanych] (with Nisko, Rozwadow, Krasnik etc.)
I think it will be helpful to You.
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| Wysłany: Pon 14:17, 08 Kwi 2013 Temat postu: |
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thank you very very much guys, gonna check it later (lot of work here now, hehe)...appriciated
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